Heart of Downtown Destined For Parking or Green Space?
Next public hearing on Jan. 24 before council vote.
Fairfax City is divided over the redevelopment of a block in the heart of downtown. Council members, commissions and some residents want to create a sense of place and attract shoppers with a brand new green space. Many business owners, however, fear that no one will come if there's nowhere to park.
"Business owners are very concerned about this, because it will drive away people from already struggling businesses in Old Town," said Stan Darke, owner of The Factory Tees at a Jan. 10 outreach meeting.
Darke claims his vintage t-shirt store is one of several new businesses in Old Town Fairfax who will leave in five years if business doesn't get better.
What's the big deal? Council members will soon decide whether to expand Kitty Pozer Garden to the west along University Drive and North Street, where the temporary parking lot currently stands.
It's a discussion that's heated up in recent months with the rare opportunity to redevelop Kitty Pozer/George Mason Square with $2.4 million left over from the construction of the new City of Fairfax Regional Library. Since city staff got news that the funds were available, council members held two outreach meetings and public hearings to get feedback on about 10 concept designs.
The latest design would move the temporary gravel parking lot along University Drive at North Street a block east, to North Street and Old Lee Highway. Even though the plan keeps the same number of parking spaces available to shoppers, nearby businesses worry that shoppers won't walk an extra block to get to their shops.
"Places like Havabite, Auld Shebeen, Eastwind, and Victoria's Cakery have no parking," said Eric Snyder of the Downtown Fairfax Coalition. "This is the parking they rely on."
But council members counter that the block was always meant to be transformed into green space.
Fairfax City and the Economic Development Authority (EDA) partnered up to purchase the properties years ago. According to Councilman Dan Drummond, the block was never intended to be a parking lot. A temporary parking lot was added in 2005, but it was supposed to be just that, temporary. The block was still listed as one of the city's green spaces in a 2008 open space report.
As of now, taxpayers pay about $120,000 a year in interest-only debt tied to the purchase of the property, according to Michael DeMarco, chair of the EDA.
"These are my goals for the development," Drummond said. "We support businesses with no net loss of parking, we pay off the $2.3 million debt we owe on it, and we expand open space."
Several city commissions back the green space plan, including the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board, Community Appearance Committee, Historic Fairfax, Inc. and Commission of the Arts.
"This is a subject that's been in the city for many years, and many people, including the council, former councils and the mayor have worked very hard on this," said John Petersen of the EDA. "This is important. This is the center of Old Town. This is an area that no longer has any open space."
The Downtown Fairfax Coalition likes the idea of a park at North and University, but is wary of moving what they consider an essential parking lot farther from businesses.
The latest concept design cuts parking beside Old Town Hall to 12 spaces and adds additional spaces at the corner of North and Old Lee, around where the farmer's market usually stands.
"I'm a little concerned about having open space next to a freeway, which is North Street. You have cop cars and regular cars driving over and hitting Auld Shebeen," Darke said.
Darke lamented the lack of pedestrians and shoppers in the downtown during weekend afternoons and other supposedly high-activity times. He believes the biggest reason Old Town Fairfax isn't as active as other city centers, like Del Ray and Alexandria, is because people can't find parking.
"Moving parking away is scary to me because that's moving people away from Subway, Havabite and all these businesses. If you can't park and go there in five minutes, grab a sandwich, and run out, that business is going to close."
Fairfax resident Catherine Read, who supports the open space project, pointed out that additional parking spaces won't necessarily bring more people downtown.
"You talk about Del Ray and Old Town Alexandria and you have to realize they have high density housing there and public transportation and a thriving city center," she said. "We need different businesses. I don't think it's a parking issue."
Fred Codding, owner of the Codding Building situated behind the Fairfax Surf Shop and Draper House, doesn't like the proposed project for another parking reason.
"I don't think you should compress the parking and push it back onto other people, such as me," he said, adding that he already has trouble keeping people from taking over his private parking lot.
"I've been physically threatened, I've been cursed by people parking in my six-space lot," Codding said.
Council members will hold one more public hearing on the project on Jan. 24 before taking a vote.
Read Fairfax City Patch's previous story on this issue here. The city website also offers other concept design options and information here.
Sharon Chang
8:41 am on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
The park expansion was promised years ago, and will add not only green space to "Old Town," but also a bit more staging space to accommodate crowds for events. If there's enough parking space downtown to pack the Independence Day Parade and the Chocolate Lovers' Festival, there's enough parking space to serve the clientele of day-to-day businesses. Motivating people to walk a block from parking space to shopping/dining destination is the business of BUSINESS, not of City Council. A shining example is Victoria's Cakery, which started out in a tiny space where many other businesses had failed, and where there was ZERO nearby parking (other than on-street) available for customers or deliveries--and which continues to thrive.
Matt Stoeckel
12:32 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
You use Victoria's Cakery as a reason why we don't need parking. you might want to talk to the owner of the business before making such statements. Almost everyone of
us downtown, hear customers complaining about parking and how dangerous the traffic pattern is. the owner of Victoria's Cakery is no exception.(Did you see photo of the car that crashed into them?)
To expand a park that nobody uses, while putting family run businesses and their children at risk is short sighted to put it mildly.
Stan Darke
12:37 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
I could list about 5-7 businesses that have either said they are planning to close shop, have had a dramatic drop off and might have to close, or will plan to leave if that lot is moved. Those are simple facts. And nobody will fill those empty buildings once they leave. Why would they?
Billy Reilly
7:47 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
disagree, there is not enough parking for those events either, people park at safeway and in private lots, leading to the number one ticket days in city business, go figure, this city has plenty of parks and open spaces, that area needs business and places for people to park..........
Paula A. Crouch
8:51 am on Friday, January 27, 2012
The folks who come to the city for the July 4th parade and the fall festival are coming in on shuttle buses because there is NOT enough parking available and the streets are closed off anyway. And since I work next door to the Cakery, I can tell you that their customers ( as do my customers) constantly complain about LACK of CONVENIENT parking and having to carry their boxes of cake and goodies for blocks.. Just sayin..
Harry Demetriou
8:59 am on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
I think most of the people mentioned in this article missed the point. Downtown businesses are not concerned about moving the parking spaces farther behind the park; they are concerned about inadequate parking and the need to create more parking for the old town section.
Stan Darke
12:29 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
A park on the corner of University Drive and North Street will NOT attract people. Who in their right mind would bring small children to the city on an evening or weekend afternoon, park 3 blocks away in a multi level parking garage, cross an intersection where cars are driving 50 mph (North Street) and running red lights, to sit on a bench on a crowded corner? Sorry, but that will not happen. If this is not planned better, Old Town Fairfax will disappear. This has been done without any support or consultation from businesses in Old Town. And, to prove the concerns, just about every business owner in Old Town (including Victoria's Cakery) has signed a petition to keep the parking lot. Most people do not understand how moving this parking will hurt businesses. These shops have to be in business every day of the year, not just during special events. There are alternative answers that make more sense to everyone, including businesses- one of which was a previous plan, that was quickly passed over, but has support from businesses- this would involve creating the open space on the other side of Pozer Park, and keeping (but beautifying) the parking lot on University. This lot is crucial to the survival of many shops up and down Main Street and around to 123.
Catherine S. Read
1:41 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
There are dying malls and empty strip shopping centers in this region and all across America. They have plenty of free parking right outside their doors. If parking is all it takes to make business successful, how come so many are failing that have it? Urban areas have people that live there and WALK there. Two of the best examples are Fairfax Corner (which is where many residents of the City are taking their business) and Reston Town Center - which has a mix of offices, high density housing, retail and restaurants. Both of those spaces also have a "square" where people can sit, meet, let their kids play and where performances take place. I think we need more strategic planning for the entire City - a great point made by the engineer who came to the last meeting.
Matt Stoeckel
2:17 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
To compare "Old" Town Fairfax City and Fairfax & Reston Town Centers is absurd. they are COMPLETELY different. And could never be like those places. Also, let us not forget who pays the lion share of the taxes in this city. those taxes pay for your trash pick up. Those taxes pay for your snow removal.
When run all the businesses are run out of town, guess who will have to pick up the tab? YOU!
Billy Reilly
7:52 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
C READ, the city had a chance to bring fairfax corner in, they voted it down, (Camp Washington) also, this area does not need another park or extension, it needs the parking, and economic development is what that money is earmarked for, benches and trees are not my idea of a thriving downtown ares, New small buisness, A web site thats useful, more events, and parking
Stan Darke
2:15 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
Correct that it is not JUST a parking issue. But every business owner I talk to hears the same things from their customers. But what is interesting is that the business community has not really been engaged in this discussion. If we don't have a movie theater, lots of businesses (which we won't any time soon), and convenient parking to the few businesses that ARE here, nobody will come to this park. We hear it every single day from people. There does have to be a more comprehensive plan. But it must involve parking. I can guarantee vacant buildings if this is ignored. Keep in mind- EVERY single business owner in Old Town agrees. These are not naive people. These are people that have worked hard to build a business.
Anonymous
2:42 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
I agree with the business owners. Parking is already scarce, and it is difficult already for would-be patrons of the downtown businesses to safely navigate heavily congested streets to reach their destination. Removing the only centrally-located parking lot in the city is going to make the situation worse, and what few customers these businesses have now will surely be lost. Although I have lived in the city for 20+ years, I rarely (if ever) frequent the businesses downtown for reasons of parking. I also can't help but think that parking issues (not to mention vehicular and pedestrian traffic dangers created by the conversion of North Street/Main Street to two-way traffic) have played a role in the failure of so many downtown businesses. Every lost business results in lost tax revenue for the city, and more revenue (both corporate and municipal) stands to be lost as a result of this ill-conceived proposal. As such, it would behoove the city council to pass up this plan for the sake of all concerned.
B N
7:41 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
The Downtown Fairfax Coalition has tshirts for sale to support the Old Town Fairfax businesses in their quest to save the parking. Email Fairfaxcity@hotmail.com and we'll provide details for ordering. It's important to show your support and wear these shirts around town and to the Council meeting on Jan. 24th. Make your voice heard and wear the message. We need your support!
Harry Demetriou
7:46 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
They were strategic meetings since 1995, when I open my first business in old town. In these meetings everybody acknowledged the need for more parking. Yet, we always end up with less parking and more empty buildings and an always empty park. Most of the residents go somewhere else because they know they can find parking. I left the city around 7pm, give yourselves a favor and drive downtown, there is not a single parking left because there is an event in the old town hall. You don’t care what will happen to our business, I am sure you care for your investment (your home). Do you think your home values will go up and property taxes down? If downtown fails you will impacted more than you think. If you don’t believe me look at Farrcroft. Compare the values of 2005 when the redevelopment started to now. You will get the idea. Help us preserve the little parking we have, come to the meeting on 24th and please support the plan that preserve the 39 spaces adjacent to the old town hall and help us create more. Please…
Doctorunk22
8:27 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
Fairfax City started going down hill when they ran T.T. Reynold's out.
B N
9:51 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
Currently I coordinate & manage the Sunday Farmers' Market at George Mason Square for the Downtown Fairfax Coalition. In my opinion the current redevelopment plan proposed by the City Council is problematic for continuing this market. The current plan eliminates 32 parking spaces from the block. There would be very little customer parking in the lot (most of the space would be taken by vendors) and there would be no parking at Old Town Hall. In addition, we would be taking the parking away from the merchants in downtown and the groups (churches, etc.) that rent Old Town Hall. These people are our customers & we cannot do that. Establishing and building farmers' markets is difficult under the best of circumstances, however, since the Sunday Market began three years ago, we have seen a succession of businesses disappear – Metrodiner, Second Yard, the Crafts Marketplace, Fosters Grill, Piccomolo, & Mama Lucia’s. There's been much discussion about the need for people to walk to their destinations. In fact, we have bikers, walkers, joggers, etc. attending our markets. The local bicycle shop is a big supporter of the market. We also have parents with young children, older people, and the disabled who don’t want to park in the parking garage and cross North Street (very busy & not very safe). Critical to the success of our markets has been the availability of parking, handicap accessibility, & a child-safe environment. The current plan satisfies none of these.
Fairfax Resident
10:52 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
I do agree that crossing the street at North and Old Lee Highway is terrible. The pedestrian light is slow to come and there isn't a good way to cross from the shopping center that houses Walgreen's, Ace Hardware, etc... If we want green space, we need to make it more pedestrian friendly and allow pedestrian lights that are times appropriately. I love your farmer's market but I walk there from my home.
Jay Converse
11:07 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
This is such a timely topic!
My wife and I were driving through the center of town tonight, and she noticed the empty storefronts. She's a property manager, I'm an economist, and we've lived across from GMU for almost 30 years. We talked about parking for a few seconds, but agreed the problem is a missing anchor. No big mall survives without a Macy's or a Walmart, and downtown Fairfax is no exception.
So, what's the retail anchor in Fairfax?
Billy Reilly
7:54 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
I concur Jay, the additiojn of the Green tuirtke will be welcomed, there still needs to be a big hitter, my thoughts are a movie theater or a cinema and draft house, both would do well
Paula A. Crouch
9:09 am on Friday, January 27, 2012
Hmmm, could it be that the empty storefronts are maybe some businesses that had to relocate becauseof the lack of CONVENIENT parking????
Missy Glasman Greene
9:54 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
Do you know what my family calls Downtown Fairfax? The Food Court. I have a large family, and right now there's nothing there that draws us. I'm not going to schlep 4 young kids more than 30 feet from any parking space for walk up food service, nor am I going to risk our lives walking along the streets to visit a park, either the current or proposed, when you have Van Dyke Park, less than a mile away. I agree with Jay, until you get something in there that draws a large crowd in, it won't make a difference if it's parking or a park, the area will still suffer.
Fairfax Resident
10:48 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
As a City of Fairfax resident who frequents those businesses - I WANT GREEN SPACE! There are plenty of parking garages that are free and covered. To make that space into a paved parking lot will take away from the flavor of the Old Town. Go ahead and threaten to leave businesses because there will ALWAYS be another business owner who supports the residents and their need and desire for GREEN SPACE! My girls sang carols there this winter, my youngest son listens to stories in Kitty Pozer park in the spring and fall and my older kids like to get Starbucks frappachinos and sit in the park. We also get library books and walk across to the park to the Farmer's Market and then read and eat apples in the park. Bottom line - it was promised as green space, we need green space and if you build it, they will come!
Paula A. Crouch
9:14 am on Friday, January 27, 2012
Ummm, where do you park now when you come to Kitty Pozer , the library, Starbucks and the market?? And where will you park after this proposed expansion of Kitty Pozer. Not being flip, justy curious..
J. Baker
12:06 pm on Thursday, January 19, 2012
Kudos to Catherine Read, for being the only person here to utter the apparently taboo phrase, "public transportation." The idea that a city center should be based around businesses where people "park and go there in five minutes, grab a sandwich, and run out" is laughable. If the city wants downtown Fairfax to thrive, it needs to completely revisit its long-term plan. First recommendation: lengthen the Cue Bus hours, particularly on weekends.
Fairfax City resident
7:28 pm on Thursday, January 19, 2012
I love downtown fairfax and I think I am bias because I live in Fairfax City. But in my opinion the problem here is not so much the luck of parking space as there is plenty (although probably could use better, bigger and more signs for it so non-city residents would be more aware) of their existence. Also the other problem I think is when you drive by North Street, if one don't live here and one does not know what's down here I would not stop because my first impression is office buildings - the buildings do not call me to check out the area and explore. They say this area is office building area - there is nothing interesting here for you to do. Also, people want fast and convenient. They want to see parking close to their destinations. The closer it is the better. I am always hesitant to go in a garage because of it's tightness and the fear of not being able to find my destination and not being able to find my car later on. There are just too many fears attached to a parking garage for me. So I hope more thought will be put on this and more opinions be considered before making a final decision.
S D
3:13 am on Friday, January 20, 2012
I live near Old Town Fairfax. I wish the Old Town businesses success, but parking isn't the problem. As you know there is a huge, mostly unused, multilevel parking garage connected to Old Town Plaza. It is only a few minutes walk from the parking garage to any old town business. If people aren't willing to walk a few minutes to the business, maybe that business should close. Most of the businesses in Old Town are struggling not because of parking issues, but because no one wants to go there. Al Maza restaurant, Havabite, a christian book store, a vintage T-shirt store? Look at neighboring Courthouse Plaza on Willard Way, it has a huge parking lot, yet the Safeway, CVS, and other stores have very little business. Green space is a good start, but the city has to do more to bring people to the area. The city should talk to Courthouse Plaza and look into making a movie theater or concert hall in the mostly unused parking lot to bring more people to the area.
Matt Stoeckel
9:18 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
Well, if you want "better" or "more" businesses, guess what? They need parking!! You want to build a theater on the Courthouse Plaza parking lot? O.K. So where would everyone park to go there? New businesses won't open here if there's no parking for their customers. It's really that simple. No one uses the parking garage at Old Town Village because it's too hard to get to, too tight to maneuver in, and poorly lit. And frankly with just 540 spaces if OTV ever fills up, that's not enough for them, let alone anywhere else. Just like no one uses the "temporary" lot at the old Amoco site -- way too hard to get to. The traffic nightmare that was thrust upon the historic district (at taxpayer expense I might add) makes things even worse. Compound that with insufficient, conveniently located parking (people prefer to park line of sight to where they are going) and I don't care how great a business or restaurant is, if customers have to sit in traffic and then can't find a parking spot within 10 mins, they won't bother. It's just a fact of life.
Paula A. Crouch
9:21 am on Friday, January 27, 2012
I think Courthouse Plaza could use some "help" but that's not going to help resolve the parking situation for Old Town businesses and their customers. Sorry, parking is a problem here, I'm a business owner here and I hear about it every day..
Harry Demetriou
9:57 am on Friday, January 20, 2012
First, as a business owner I don’t want to bite the hand that feed me, we love our Fairfax residents, I am also one of them, and I met and befriended a lot of you during the 15 years in business in old town. We know, and the customers that frequent our establishments always complain about, it is not enough parking. The so call garage is sitting on a development that is .25 occupied and the businesses on that development already complain b/c the office employees or guests’ park on the unassigned spaces. In addition 40 spaces will go to the townhouses been built next door. What would it happen when the development it is fully occupied?
What we are asking for it is very similar to the other plan. Our plan also calls for creating more park area. The only difference, we are asking to preserve 39 spaces right in front of the busy intersection and our businesses, instead of making approximately 25 sq. ft. of additional park and 12 spaces of parking instead of 39. The plan we support will cost less and it’s more useful. We are in this together, whatever happens to downtown it will affect all of us. The idea of keeping the 39 spaces instead of an additional 25 sq. ft. of park in front of a busy intersection and our business is a step to the right direction. It is a good compromise, we all can live with. Thank you.
Sadie Beeden
11:23 am on Friday, January 20, 2012
Have been a resident of Fairfax City for decades. The small Kitty Pozer garden is beautiful in the spring and in the winter with snow on the ground. Who says bigger is better? In my opinion the Pozer garden is just the right size. Note: to City Council please leave the parking lot at the Old Town Hall (Huddleson) alone. Citizens who rent out the Old Town Hall (just as I did for my husband's memorial) use the parking facilities there; the Sunday Farmer's Market uses the lot for much needed parking; local business need the space for their customers. I am a disabiled citizen, if the only parking available to me is the parking garage, guess what? I do not shop in Fairfax or patronize the local restaurants. I hope at the meeting January 24 it is decided by the Council to leave the Old Town Hall parking lot alone. If you love green space like I do, we have so many lovely parks to visit and of course the Kitty Pozer garden as it is. Finally, for ANYONE to say that the Ctiy of Fairfax is wonderful for strolling about and walking and riding a bicycle they have not visited the City recently. I was in downtown Fairfax yesterday and the traffic was incredible and moving fast. Not particularly conducive to a casual walk through town...you practically are taking your life in your hands crossing the street. Enough said by me.....
Paula A. Crouch
9:47 am on Friday, January 27, 2012
I so agree with you..Has anyone forgotten the the "hugest" green space we already have and close by too, Van Dyke Park!! With space for the kids to run and play, tennis courts, etc. When I envision the "expanded" Kitty Pozer Park, I see being surrounded on three sides by 4 lane traffic ( North, University & Old Lee Hwy), bus, truck & car exhaust fumes, screaming fire trucks and police cars and ambulances.. Not a place where I would feel relaxed..I'd jump in my car and go to Van Dyke ( which I do often) , where I can park my vehicle and get away from the hustle and bustle of downtown NOISE.. Just sayin..
Sadie Beeden
1:53 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
I just left a comment but upon reading the above new statements I am compelled to comment again briefly. The statement made that if a citizen doesn't wish to walk from the parking garage to the local stores then the stores are not worth going to shows a lack of awareness of a good sized segment of population. There are disabled people (just like me), elderly folks, etc. who would find it difficult to traipse from the parking garage to the downtown businesses. By the way, your comment about the Havabite is way off base. It is one of my favorite eateries and it is packed at lunchtime so some citizens must think it is worth going to.
Paula A. Crouch
1:44 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012
As a business owner ( with NO designated parking) & a city resident for the last 30 years, I will add my two cents here. I hear on a daily basis from my customers,
" WHERE do you park here, Jeez?" Or " D@*&, I had to walk three blocks just to drop this off to you, parking sucks here!" Or "What garage??" .. AND, " You need one of those Smart Cars to drive these streets, lanes are too &%$ narrow! It's dangerous!" And, " I parked on the street ( Main) in the loading zone, there's no where else to park. Will I get towed??"( NO, because he/she was only going to be in my building for about 3 to 5 minutes!) I can so relate to their frustration because you see, I'm in the same boat every single day, scrounging for a CONVENIENTplace to park so I can go to WORK!!!!! And God forbid I leave in the middle of the day, especially during lunch time, because I might have to drive around the block for 15 minutes and STILL find no parking...( and then wind up going to that out-of-the-way garage my customers can't find). :o/
R. Ross
10:29 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012
We live outside of Fairfax, but I travel with my family regularly for dinner at Auld Sabeen. Unfortunately, even after finding parking, I feel like we are putting our lives at risk as traffic hurtles by at head-height along West Street. Not even a guard rail -- sheesh! 123 is no better, I wouldn't attempt crossing at the crosswalk, even if someone DID bring Sweet Dreams back to life. What a great desert porch that was.
As I have watched the regular turnover of many businesses it occurs to me that Fairfax City has missed the boat by not creating a SAFE, pedestrian-friendly set of blocks to define a shared commercial zone. It needs to be an identified destination, and NOT one that competes with strip malls. Think better than that! Think Santa Monica, Pasadena, Boulder, Burlington VT, Fanueil in Boston, Williamsburg! An inviting place to walk, with cool places to shop and things to see. It will take both vision, and a good transition plan. And it will take significant investment. But if done right, the great, quality local businesses (like Shebeen) will survive AND thrive. And while it is probably true that marginal quality offerings will likely not survive just by virtue of being "curbside," is that really a bad thing? If change of major scale is not implemented, Fairfax City will remain a sputtering halfway unlocation, frequented primarily by those who either already work there, can't be bothered to walk five minutes for good commerce, or just don't know any better.
Jay Converse
11:27 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012
What a poetic statement! I agree, I so agree!
Fairfax Resident
1:47 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Let's talk PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION! The Cue Bus service is great and affordable. Or, WALK! The parking garages have ample space and are NEVER packed and let's face it - our society can stand to walk more. If you do drive, the traffic is definitely an issue - though crossing at University and Rt 123 are not too bad - crossing from the Library along Old Lee Highway when we want to go to the Farmer's Market is a nightmare! Another observation – bring in businesses for the audience. Right now we have countless ethnic restaurants but my kids won’t eat there. Metro diner wasn't very good - we just didn't enjoy the food. We frequent Potbelly's and Panera but they are a little on the pricey side. Pacers isn't a place I'd take my kids for shoes because, again, their prices are high. There's NOTHING to attract my family to the shops in Old Town. We also go to the library then walk to Kitty Pozer. The summertime series in Kitty Pozer is great and we also love walking through there when the Christmas lights are up. If you want more families - bring in Family-Friendly shops! If you want more of a nightlife to attract the College crowd, there is ample garage parking available and again, the CUE bus service.
Stan Darke
1:57 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
The problem is that the city cannot bring in the type of businesses that we need to attract people because Old Town Fairfax is not retail friendly. It's almost unwalkable and the traffic is too fast. The parking garage is not convenient and no retailers want to come in. That is why the places are either empty or being filled with businesses that maybe you don't want to see. The rental rates in the new section, from what I understand rival rates in Arlington or Georgetown. Why would any major retailer come there? And if the parking is not convenient on Main Street, who would want to rent those spaces? You see, there are not people fighting to get into the available spaces because the downtown is not a place where retailers think they can make money. It's easier for them to go to a strip mall where they know people will park and walk in and out. The park, alone, will not help this.. at all. There needs to be much more of a push to make better parking, slow traffic, AND incentives for businesses to open shop in Old Town. If a potential retailer visits Old Town on Saturday afternoon and sees 5-10 people, max, walking around, why on earth would they want to spend $5000-$$8000 a month on rent? So, just keep in mind, these prices that you think are high are simply covering rent, if they are lucky. We need to look at the whole downtown and figure out how to make it more attractive to EVERYONE.
Sadie Beeden
10:14 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
I just had to respond to a recent commenter. The comment was "ride the CUE bus or walk" to downtown shops. Fine for her/him however this shows an unawareness of another segment of the population that cannot walk from the parking garage to the downtown or who would find it very difficult to ride the CUE bus. I know our society trends toward the younger shopper. However, there is a large group of seniors and humans with disabilities who like to shop and WE HAVE MONEY TOO. Because of health issues I cannot park in the garage and walk to downtown Fairfax. I want and need parking close to my stores. I love to shop at the smaller, family owned stores and restaurants and do not care for the huge stores like Walmart. Especially enjoy going into a store or restaurant and they recognize me. I could go into Walmart 3 times a day for a month and they would never care to remember me. Also, I choose where I spend my money and I would prefer to help a small business person. Remember that is what has made America great...the dream of starting your own business and supporting your family. You know, at one time we had a lot of unique little shops in Fairfax but some of them are gone and I fear the City Council in its arrogance to proceed with the Kitty Pozer garden expansion will diminish the few remaining businesses. Therein lies the thorn, my friends..the Council will have spent millions of dollars on (in my opinion) unneeded park but sadly it may be surrounded by vacant storefronts.
Fairfax Resident
11:26 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
I'm sorry for your disability and, if you notice, there are parking spaces close by for those in need. You have no clue of my level of awareness. As someone who was disabled following surgeries last year, who has a disabled child and who cares for a disabled parent I can tell you that I still take every opportunity I can to get out and enjoy the GREEN SPACE and thank the lord for the ability to still enjoy it. Perhaps you could appreciate a little bit of awareness yourself.
Fairfax Resident
11:22 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
I'm not sure how long the people posting comments here have lived, shopped or worked in the City of Fairfax. There use to be parking lots really close - and the stores closed... there is ample, covered parking right next to Mamma Lucia's restaurant and it closed... there was a parking lot right next to the shops on Main St. and they closed... hmmm. Seeing a pattern here. Perhaps it isn't just a PARKING ISSUE! There are tons of parking places in the Safeway parking lot and the shop at the end where the sub shop and "Happy Woof" are not located has changed hands many times over the years. Do a trend analysis - look at what has and hasn't worked. It's not just about the parking!!
B N
8:54 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Downtown business owners know what is necessary to make their businesses a success - parking, signage, marketing, etc. Why do people who have no financial interest in these businesses think they know more than the business owners? I think that the expansion of Pozer Garden is unnecessary. It is not over-used and seems to be a reasonable size for a small downtown. Concerning events - there are few events currently held in Pozer so there doesn't seem to be an unmet demand for park space for events in downtown. Concerning green space - the sidewalk planters (owned by the city and, yes, they are green space) could use a lot more attention. Nice well-maintained seasonal plantings would really improve the streetscape. Towns with much smaller budgets manage to do this much better than the City. The pots/plants (not city-owned) around the Shoppes at Main Street are the most attractive in town. It makes a difference. I think the city spaces in the downtown area have a "neglected" appearance to them -- the "Amoco" lot is unpaved with no landscaping and looks abandoned; the George Mason Square lot is unpaved with overgrown plantings; the Old Town Hall Parking lot is unpaved with no landscaping, and Pozer Garden could use some updating (removing the fence between the Old Town Hall Parking lot and Pozer would open up the park and increase its visibility). Perhaps a better course of action for the city is to improve the appearance of these spaces rather than starting more projects.
ACS
1:09 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
B N - Why do you think that the people writing have no financial interest in these businesses? I would argue that anyone who lives in, shops in, works in or visits Fairfax City has a financial interest. I wouldn't want to live in a ghost town! Nothing frustrates me more than people "assuming" they know what the other writers are thinking. But I do like your idea of the City improving what it already has. There are a lot of opinions flying around this blog; it's nice to see some positive suggestions. More parking might not be the only solution - improving existing parking, signage, advertising may be.
Jay Converse
2:01 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
I think the problem is an unintended consequence of changing the roads to two-way a couple years ago. The traffic is too thick and fast now, and with the narrow sidewalks, you don't feel safe, you feel exposed.