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Candidates' Take: Should FCPS Install School Surveillance Cameras?

County school board candidates chime in on surveillance video debate.

 

Editor's Note: Even though Fairfax City residents cannot vote for Fairfax County School Board members, the decisions made by the county school board affect curriculum, resources and staffing in city schools. Fairfax City schools are run by FCPS through a services contract the city has with Fairfax County.

Seven candidates will vie for three at-large seats on the Fairfax County School Board in the Nov. 8 elections. 

Patch took six questions based on submissions from readers and sent them in a survey to all at-large candidates. All but candidate Lin-Dai Kendall got back to us with their answers.

This series will look at how the candidates responded to each question.

Question: Do you support video surveillance in the county’s high schools? To what extent?

And the responses? 

Four of the candidates said they are not in favor of installing surveillance cameras in schools. They cite a lack of studies proving the cameras would be affective in detering crime, an unknown cost, and the program's potential damage to student morale. One candidate wants to try all other crime-deterring methods first. The sixth needs more information before he can make a decision.

Read on for full responses.

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Ted Velkoff: "We should first be sure we have made every possible effort to curb the behaviors that led to recent incidents in the first place."

Before we even consider increasing the current level of video surveillance in high schools (which I believe the community is not ready to do, given the recent issues with the discipline system), we should first be sure we have made every possible effort to curb the behaviors that led to recent incidents in the first place.  This could take the form of presentations, programs or discussions with students in school and with parents at PTA meetings and town halls.

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Steve Stuban: Installing surveillance cameras "moves our school learning environment toward a police state, which clearly is problematic."

I have grave concerns about the use of video surveillance cameras in our schools and would only consider such use in very limited instances where there is a pattern of misconduct and harm, or damage could be reasonably expected to occur in areas not routinely patrolled by school staff.  I believe repeated instances of disorderly conduct or property damage are generally more reflective of an ineffective school administration leadership climate.  In fact, at a recent informal gathering with a half dozen retired FCPS principals, they strongly agreed with me when I made that observation.  I understand our students have a lesser expectation of privacy in our public schools and, as such, a lower standard of reasonable suspicion, instead of probable cause, suffices for school administrators to search or question our students in the interest of maintaining good order and discipline within our schools.  However, I question the efficacy of subjecting every student to unfettered video camera surveillance within our schools and believe doing so moves our school learning environment toward a police state, which clearly is problematic.  I am concerned about the citizenship messaging and values FCPS would thereby impart to our students. What question should our students be encouraged to ask themselves:  “Is it morally appropriate to behave as I do?”  Or:  “Is it necessary to regulate my behavior because it is subject to surveillance at this particular time and location?”

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Ilryong Moon: What would justify the surveillance program? And what affect would it have?

Our schools need to be safe and secure, and I trust our principals have their students’ best interest at heart with the security camera proposal. But I also understand parent input that adopting these cameras could create privacy concerns or allow for enforcement of rules in a punitive, rather than educational, manner.

At this point, I have yet to be convinced of the need of increased video surveillance in our schools. I have yet to see the types of data that would be convincing on a topic like this, such as broad increase in in-school crime rates or thefts, to commit a large expenditure and put aside privacy concerns. While the recent spat of food fights are indeed a cause for concern and a serious safety risk, in themselves they do not constitute the type of threat to student well-being or property security that I think would warrant an increase in school surveillance techniques.

In general, discipline proceedings should be a part of the complete learning process. Those who stray should not be lost; we need to target those students who need extra help and give it to them so that all of our students are able to reach their full potential. Discipline for discipline’s sake is no way to achieve this.

With that said, this is a topic that should be left for the new school board. There is not enough time before November to fully consider the issue, and we need to complete the currently-scheduled series of meetings on the topic and digest the lessons from that as well as other sources of public input before coming to a conclusion here. I also believe that for these types of proposals, a limited pilot program may be a good way to assess what the value and costs may be to the school system more generally. With a pilot, we can look to see if this program is having the intended effects, and if it is not, we can look to another solution.

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Ryan McElveen: "That video surveillance inside schools is even being discussed shows that the welfare of students is often the lowest priority for FCPS."

That video surveillance inside schools is even being discussed shows that the welfare of students is often the lowest priority for FCPS. Aside from being an utter waste of money and resources in terms of crime prevention and crime solving, the cameras will completely demoralize our students. I want young voters, many of whom may happen to be high school students, to understand that I am pledging to do everything in my power to not let this happen. Just because some of our schools still look like prisons doesn’t mean we have to equip them with high-security tools.

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Lolita Mancheno-Smoak: Surveillance contradicts the educational discipline process. 

I believe that video surveillance is in contradiction to the progress being made with establishing a restorative, educational, and therapeutic discipline process within FCPS.

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Sheree Brown-Kaplan: There are other, more proven ways to deter crime.

No, I do not support video surveillance inside the county’s high schools. The rationale provided is not based on sound principles and no data supports video surveillance as an adequate prevention or deterrent technique. Prior to any consideration of video surveillance, the School Board should first fully employ at all high schools the Positive Behavior Intervention and Supports (PBIS) program. There is no evidence that video cameras will make our schools safer, but there is evidence of that the best practice of PBIS, when implemented consistently and with fidelity, improves student behavior. In addition, the full cost is unknown and the School Board should not be allocating funds to install video cameras when it has had to cut important instructional programs like summer school. The School Board should examine the research conducted by Dewey Cornell from the Curry School at UVA which outlines techniques that reduce bullying and suspensions. Implementing proven deterrent and prevention practices such as these would be the more efficient and effective use of our limited resources. We can and must do better to provide more positive and proactive approaches to modify student behavior than merely resorting to video surveillance.

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John Farrell

7:33 am on Monday, November 7, 2011

which 4 candidates support the cameras?

5 of the 6 candidates statements include in this story do not support cameras.

Is there a typo in the opening 'graph?

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Lauren Sausser

9:13 am on Monday, November 7, 2011

John, Thanks for pointing that out. There did seem to be a typo...four of the candidates are not in favor of installing the cameras.

Scott Chronister

10:33 pm on Monday, November 7, 2011

As most people with children in Fairfax County Public Schools know, education and not politics is the most important thing to ensuring our children are prepared for their futures. This year, a number of advocacy groups are playing an important role in educating voters about the importance of the school board election and the candidates. The Fairfax County Coalition of Advocates for Public Schools (FairfaxCAPS) focuses on educational excellence, fiscal responsibility, and accountability in FCPS. FairfaxCAPS is endorsing the following candidates:

At-Large: Steve Stuban
At-Large: Lolita Mancheno-Smoak
At-Large: Sheree Brown-Kaplan
Braddock: Megan McLaughlin
Dranesville: Louise Epstein
Hunter Mill: Nancy Linton
Mason: Sandy Evans
Mt. Vernon: Michele Nellenbach
Providence: Patty Reed
Springfield: Elizabeth Schultz
Sully: Sheila Ratnam

Please support the FairfaxCAPS slate on November 8. Help ensure that the new School Board will be responsive to constituents and community concerns as together we work to ensure that Fairfax County Public Schools is a benchmark public school system where all students excel.

For more information about school board candidates and the on the 2011 Fairfax County School Board election, visit www.FairfaxCAPS.org.

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elizabeth Bradsher

11:50 pm on Monday, November 7, 2011

Just how many people are in CAPS? Can you provide a list of members and how active is its membership?
Thank you.

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John Farrell

12:00 am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011

How outrageous!

A government official (well, for only 53 more days, thankfully) demanding the membership list of a private organization.

A private organization's membership list is protected by the First Amendment's right of free association.

How dare you try to violate FairfaxCAPS constitutional right!

But its typical of your sad, sordid tenure on the School Board.

Scott Chronister

12:25 am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011

Four years ago, a School Board member told FairfaxCAPS he was not concerned about public outrage at the School Board in relation to a redistricting effort. He said that people would forget about the problems they faced in dealing with the School Board. We have not forgotten. All together, thousands of voters in FairfaxCAPS and other education advocacy groups in Fairfax County have experienced the lack of transparency, accountability, and fiscal responsibility that is the hallmark of the current School Board.

The voters have a chance to bring real change to the Fairfax County School Board on November 8. For the sake of the children in Fairfax County, I hope FairfaxCAPS and the other education advocacy organizations have enough members to bring that change.

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jody bennett

12:43 am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011

Many parents, teachers, and many of the 75% of the taxpayers without children in the school system have waited a long time for this change in the school board makeup. May voters go to the polls and select the school board candidate who will not be a rubber stamper, one who will respect and listen to the parents and teachers, and one who place students and teachers as our most important resources. Those candidates are found on the list recommended by FairfaxCAPS. Please vote for those candidates.

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elizabeth Bradsher

8:00 am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011

Jody,
Not all 75% have waited a long time for a change. It is clear that you and several members of your community are still very upset about the boundary change to South Lakes. Unfortunately, time moves on and that decision, although unpopular with certain parents who formed CAPS, took place 3 years ago and students are now at those impacted schools.
During my years on the Board I found that the members all listened to county parents, teachers and constituents. You are quick to generalize and for several years you have worked to find faults with the current elected body due to your extreme unhappiness with the boundary decision.
The Board worked in an extremely difficult budgetary time which seems to be conveninetly and frequently omitted from blog comment entries. I believe I have every right as a citizen and current School Board member to ask you and others to quanitfy what you mean by "many" and also the membership of CAPS. I have seen and heard people claim they represent a group of people only to later find out that group is a total of less than 10. Elected officials should not be swayed by special interests groups, they should make decisions that impact the greater good of those they represent.

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Scott Chronister

4:04 pm on Friday, November 11, 2011

The only people that see FairfaxCAPS as a single issue organization is the current School Board. Advocacy groups, school boards, and others from around the United States have sought expertise and technical assistance from FairfaxCAPS on a variety of issues. FairfaxCAPS worked closely with members of the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors on several issues--notably the successful effort to stop the Gatehouse II purchase. Oddly, the group that we have had the most difficulty working with is the Fairfax County School Board.

You say the school board should not be swayed by special interest groups (from the context, I think you mean small groups--possibly ten or less?). On issues where groups with thousands of members were involved, School Board members said either they would not be bullied or cave in to public pressure. Middle-sized groups are dismissed as "single issue" groups of angry/upset/disaffectioned (pick your adjective) persons. So who does the School Board listen to? Several members have said they “listen to the voices of those who are not speaking.”

As your tenure is coming to a close, I hope you have an opportunity to reflect on the School Board’s views of community groups. I hope you will realize how these pejorative and prejudiced characterizations damage community relations and do a real disservice the educational interests of students. Hopefully, incoming School Board members follow a more constructive community engagement strategy.

Jennifer Herd

1:09 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2011

Ms. Bradsher,
It's one thing to ask about the number of members a group has, but it entirely another to ask the names of those members and their level of activity in a group, and Mr. Chronister is wise not to divulge them. To do so would be a violation of the members' right to privacy as citizens. If I want you, a School Board Member, or anyone else, to know what groups I am a member of, I'll let you know. Otherwise, it is none of your business.

Gleeful on Election Day,
Jennifer Herd
FairfaxCAPS

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janet otersen

11:33 am on Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Liz-

Since you are interested in who the participants are in CAPS maybe you could tell us your role in the FDK advocacy group. Exactly whose idea was it to start this group? Yours or Shaista Keating? Maybe you could disclose to the public how you created this group in order to extort more money from The BOS for FDK. Once that failed, you guys had no choice but to roll out FDK.

Let's stop playing games in this school district. If a school board member wants FDK for her schools and more money from The BOS, then just say so-don't manipulate the public.

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elizabeth Bradsher

9:14 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011

Janet,
Why are you continuously accusing people? You are extremely angry and all you seem to do is "point fingers and attack." Never have you tried to work on issues and with people on the Board.

I will answer your question because I am so very tired of you negative spin and accusations. I began working on the expansion of Full Day K about 2 years ago after the Board decided to hault the expansion due to budget severities. Some of the funding to expand the program came from operational savings due to Board decisions made in FY 2011. The funding was explained in the 2012 budget vote, please see those documents from our May meeting. The Superintendent's presentation should be online.

Per Ms. Herd I do not want to see names of people, just curious about membership.

janet otersen

9:42 am on Friday, November 11, 2011

I'm not accusing anyone. I am simply stating facts. The FDK players told me you were the maestro of FDK. I am just curious whether you plan to admit it--I guess not. Given your dishonesty, why should CAPS disclose anything to you?

As far as my advocacy and "working with SB members". HAHA. The only SB members who ever listen to the public-unless its something they care about--are Reed, Evans and Hone. The rest are positively a waste of time. I am angry-- and add disgust to that as well. I am angry that you and your buddies on the Board didn't do anything about discipline reform until two kids killed themselves. You can bet that the Stubans and Andersons are angry as well. I am angry and disgusted that you tried to buy an office building for $130 million when our schools wait 40 years for renovation money. I am furious that you guys have hurt our at risk students by using VGLA. Thank goodness the GA stopped it and now we can finally find out what services these kids need.

Nice timing on releasing the ENORMOUS achievement gap data last night--AFTER THE ELECTION----odd that the incumbents all claimed we have nearly eliminated the gap. I guess they should look at the data more closely.

The public is sick and tired of the deceit and lies from the sitting SB in order to push an agenda thru. I am hopeful that this new Board can restore honor to our school district.

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jody bennett

10:17 am on Friday, November 11, 2011

Liz, how does this statement from you: " Can you provide a list of members and how active is its membership?" differ from this statement: "Per Ms. Herd I do not want to see names of people, just curious about membership." Looks the same to me........

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